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Muscle Testing – Touch For Health – John Thie – Vianna Stibal – Lifonics

Notochemo: The same website below at thetahealingtechnique.com publishes the following about Vianna Stibal and below that, I have extracted Vianna’s claim to her technique.  Make your own judgement to decide between Lifonics and Theta Healing.

 

IN MY RESEARCH OF THETA HEALING WHICH BROUGHT ME TO VIANNA STIBAL ETC. I FOUND OUT ABOUT “TOUCH FOR HEALTH” CREATED BY JOHN THIE (AND MATTHEW THIE).  JOHH THIE SEEM TO HAVE VERY CREDIBLE CREDENTIALS.  Well, researching is endless.

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http://www.thetahealingtechnique.com/instant-healing.html

 

 

Dear Trisha,

I have received an email from you this morning about Lifonics and have been reading it with interest.  It would seem that you have taken ThetaHealing and renamed it.  I understand that ThetaHealing develops in its own way for everyone who works with it.  We find ways to improve on the Basic tools and the speed and depth to which it works increases as time goes on.  Many new experiences, insights and intriguing ways to work with Source come flooding through; this is the beauty of being ‘connected’.

 

What I don’t understand is why you are separating yourself from that Oneness and competing in a way that appears to show, that you have taking what you have learned from Vianna and remodeled it without even a mention of who or what inspired you.

It looks and feels to me like plagiarism and I’m wondering how you justify this.

With Intrigue
A Reader

 

Hi Reader,

There are some elements in Lifonics–such as the potential power of belief and feeling work–that I learned when I was a ThetaHealer: elements that exist also in Psych, EFT, etc. and which Vianna actually took from her years as a Religious Scientist and did not credit them with. She also took many elements from shamanism, common ways of psychically working with people. etc. that have no uniqueness in the way they are presented in ThetaHealing. ThetaHealing is essentially a mish-mash of other techniques, with the addition of “Creator,” a dark entity that Vianna claims is God or the All but which hundreds—perhaps even thousands—of people have experienced as otherwise.

Elements, such as belief work, that Lifonics also utilizes I fully credit Vianna and others with in my manuals, which you have not seen. Also, if you look at http://www.lifonics.com/faq-general.html you will see that I also credit ThetaHealing on my Lifonics website for the useful elements—really just the belief and feeling work—that I learned there.

Actually, Evolutionary Technique has been a much bigger influence on me than ThetaHealing. I credit it too and, unlike Vianna, Evolutionary Technique founder Soleira Green invites all of her students to utilize principles that she has developed in their own classes–principles that are so powerful compared to ThetaHealing that everyone who takes her training goes 2-3 paradigms beyond the rather outdated paradigm ThetaHealing is based on.

If you took Lifonics courses, you would see that they too are based on a whole new paradigm way more advanced than what ThetaHealing is doing and that most of the Lifonics processes have little or nothing to do with anything in ThetaHealing. Even belief and feeling work is done in an entirely different way in Lifonics (more based on Radionics) than in ThetaHealing.

In Lifonics there is no “Creator,” which is a very dangerous entity to work with. In Lifonics it not a matter of connecting with something outside of yourself, as in ThetaHealing, but of viscerally stepping into your massive mega being, actually becoming yourself the All, and working from there.

This is another place where Lifonics differs from ThetaHealing. In Lifonics we don’t just give lip service to oneness; we actually work from the visceral feeling and realization that we are all unique expressions of One Being. The LifeForce energy that makes me alive is virtually identical to your LifeForce energy. And in Lifonics, we really feel our oneness—especially when we are in our true massive mega being—and we evolve new ways of living, playing, and working in the world from there. In contrast, ThetaHealing talks about oneness, but its whole organization is around an implicit belief in separateness: Creator is a separate energy practitioners must connect with, there are separate Planes of Existence, other people are relatively small separate entities from us with “problems” to be solved, etc.

One of the most important elements of Lifonics (which is wholly absent in ThetaHealing) is the practice of looking at the massive mega being of the client and seeing what they are truly up to in the world, what their life purpose and gifts are, and how they can best manifest these in their lives. I call this looking at a person’s magnificence. It is dazzling both for the practitioner and the client and can, by itself, totally transform the client’s life forever, changing hundreds of beliefs and feelings automatically.

Another huge difference is that instead of ThetaHealing’s focus on “problems” that need to be changed and what is “wrong” with the client, Lifonics looks at what the higher potential of each challenge is and what is really right with the client. This includes showing the client concretely how each challenge is a perfect opportunity for them to go to the next level of growth in their lives and showing them how to use it as such. When the higher potential is revealed and the client steps into that energy, “problems” disappear. And this happens in a painless, pleasant (even ecstatic), and uplifting way.

I hope this gives you a rudimentary understanding of some of the major differences between ThetaHealing and Basic Lifonics! If you read carefully the descriptions of the 14 Lifonics classes, you will see that they actually have very little in common with ThetaHealing.

When the information (that later changed and became Lifonics) first started coming to me, I thought it could be incorporated into ThetaHealing. I offered it as such to Vianna who (via her husband Guy)—without seeing any of my materials—immediately threatened to sue me if I didn’t: destroy the courses I was developing, take mention of them off my website, promise to never teach such courses again, and apologize to Vianna for ever having dreamed of such courses.

As this shocking correspondence between the Stibals and me played out, it was an eye-opening experience to find out how Vianna and her husband Guy don’t live at all according to the principles of ThetaHealing. For them, life is about competition, separation, hierarchy, and insulting, disparaging, and beating down anyone who will not tow the line with them. I am now in contact with many former ThetaHealers who have been traumatized by Guy and Vianna’s brutal treatment of them over the years.

I also, along the way, found out about many of the lies Vianna tells her students (for example, she did NOT have an instant healing from her cancer, as she claims), her many plagiarisms (Religious Science, medical texts in her incredibly inaccurate and even dangerous Intuitive Anatomy course, etc.), and her many legal misrepresentations (she has no registered trademark on ThetaHealing, she has no copyright on any of the ideas she uses–only the way she states them in her manuals–and the contract she forces teachers to sign is illegal in multiple ways). I already knew about many of the inaccuracies in her work, but the above was quite disheartening.

And it was not fun finding out how many ThetaHealers have some version of the belief, “Vianna must be obeyed,” which she implants subliminally in susceptible people—teachers and practitioners—who take her courses (which the teachers then pass on to others). Vianna, according to some who know her, has had a guru complex for many years and cannot let go of that adoration so that she can actually truly empower and free people. Whereas I believe that healing and coaching work should make people freer, more empowered in all ways, and able to be independent.

I think that the mind control in ThetaHealing is shameful. When I had the Creator entity attachment removed from me, I felt a subtle part of myself return which had been absent without my realizing it during the whole time I was a ThetaHealer. My wish for all ThetaHealers is that they may wake up and recover this valuable part of themselves that has been lost.

Because of my insistence on truth, on freedom, and on expanding healing in the world, and because of my “disrespect” toward Vianna (because I think and act independently) and Guy’s assertion that my new classes give me an “unfair advantage” over others, Vianna suspended my 4 teaching certificates (which makes no practical difference to me since I wasn’t teaching ThetaHealing classes anymore anyway). In case you are interested in the correspondence between us, I am attaching it here. It will soon be on my ThetaHealing website too for all to see. Despite Vianna and Guy’s ill treatment of me, I sincerely wish them very well. I think there are a positive elements in ThetaHealing, which I continue to mention on my ThetaHealing website, though I don’t do ThetaHealing anymore myself (Lifonics is so much more powerful).

I hope this helps you to understand the situation. I don’t feel that I am in competition with anyone. I feel my oneness with all beings, and I believe in cooperating for the highest and best good of all. All people can heal themselves and facilitate healing for others, and they can do so through a variety of different modalities. That’s why I am so open about healing modalities and promote so many different ones on my Healer Database (www.HealerDatabase.com) so that everyone can get the help that is best for them. All healers—and all human beings—are my brothers and sisters.

Lots of love to you,
Trisha

 

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(Here, from the same website where I extracted the correspondence above, is more about Trisha’s experiences about Vianna Stibal.)

did vianna have an instant healing?

 

ThetaHealing is based on founder Vianna Stibal’s claim that she healed herself instantly of terminal cancer using its principles. This alleged spectacular occurrence is what validates in ThetaHealing practitoners’ and teachers’ minds the ability of ThetaHealing to effect instant physical cures in clients. But did this healing actually take place?
Three different people who were very close to Vianna at the time have assured me that it did not—they say she recovered from the cancer over a long period of time through natural methods.
This was a very shocking revelation to me at first, even though I was in the process of leaving ThetaHealing already at the time. It did, though, explain some things that I had found puzzling.

 

  • When I went to take teacher training and met Vianna for the first time, her energy field looked rather weak to me and she was sniffling constantly. I wondered why she didn’t heal her runny nose if she had healed herself of cancer. Also, there was a lot of sickness I noticed in her immediate circle—her husband’s psoriasis and her massage therapist’s asthmatic son being just two examples—that she did not seem to be addressing. (I now understand that one of her little granddaughters has been in and out of the hospital many times and Vianna has never even attempted to help her.) Granted, you cannot heal someone who is not willing and who won’t let go of certain beliefs and feelings, but wouldn’t Vianna’s own family be willing to have her work on them and be open to changing?
  • Vianna has some major health crisis almost every year. I understand, by the way, that she has now had surgery to fix her nose, but last year (2008) she fell into a coma, before that she had congestive heart failure, she’s been in serious auto accidents (one she even sued her husband Guy over to get insurance money, saying that she had suffered permanent injury in the court documents), etc. Someone close to her told me that she also carries around a bag of pharmaceutical drugs that she frequently takes. Why not use ThetaHealing to heal herself of all that and, better yet, not let any serious health conditions develop, if she could do so?
  • In Vianna’s latest edition (2008) of her general book, ThetaHealing, she talks about how she instantly healed herself of bone cancer in the late 1990’s and that this was the genesis of ThetaHealing—her shrunken leg bone immediately returned to full length and strengthened when the healing happened. But in other talks and in earlier books (I understand the first edition of her first book has a very different story, but I haven’t been able to get a copy of it), her story has varied. Since her alleged instant healing (not just before the healing took place, as she now says in her latest general book), Vianna has given the following different accounts (and more) of what happened:
    • Vianna had blood cancer.
    • Vianna had lymphoma.
    • Vianna had bone cancer.
    • Vianna healed herself in front of her office.
    • Vianna healed herself inside of her office with other healing colleagues in attendance.
    • Vianna healed herself at home in front of her family.

 

So you can take your pick of which story to believe. You do wonder, though, why if the instant healing really did occur, Vianna’s story about it has kept changing. Each version of the story has become more dramatic. Could it be that Vianna doesn’t remember what she said from one time to the other (the various editions of her main book have been based largely on recordings of talks she’s given) and looks each time to create the best story? The founding story of ThetaHealing seems to be just that: a story.

 

 

 

http://www.thetahealing.com/about-vianna-stibal-founder.html

About Vianna Stibal – Founder of ThetaHealing™

My name is Vianna. I am the founder of the technique ThetaHealing™. In 1995 I received an instant healing from cancer through the Creator of All That Is. Since then, I have healed myself through the Creator many times using ThetaHealing™.

From the first time that I had an Instantaneous Healing my curiosity has always been the same; “what made my leg heal so fast?” Years later I was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. Yet again I found another way to make my heart heal incredibly fast. Once again I asked the same question, “what made my body heal so fast?” Perhaps the correct question should be “why did I have to get sick in the first place?” As always, the Creator answered me with the same patience. I was told, “Vianna you have a resilient body. You should bless your body. Encourage your body, don’t discourage it.”

I’ve witnessed thousands of instant healings with my clients and my students. I have spent my time since 1995 showing others how to do this simple meditation and receive results. In 2000 I began to certify others to teach it.

ThetaHealing™ is best described as a way to tap into clear answers. It also enables the participant to find limiting beliefs and change them instantly. No long goals, no reading affirmations, no voodoo who-do, just a simple realization and decision to change them and then witnessing the Creator instantly change them. The Four Level Belief Work was shown to me to help my clients.

After I was healed from cancer, people found me. The very sick came in droves. I asked the Creator how to help them. Some got better with just simple Healings. Others did not, and I was told they believed they should be sick. Working with Belief Systems was not new to me at the time. I had been married to a hypnotist and despite our differences he was good at what he did. But hypnosis was a long process. Some of the beliefs were genetic and historic. God showed me the Four Level Belief Work after I remarried my man from Montana, Guy Stibal. The results were amazing people came from everywhere to be healed and taught. Then the Feeling Work was formed. The ThetaHealing™ book and Advanced ThetaHealing™ describe the technique. There are certified teachers in ThetaHealing™ everywhere as I share my answers and prayers with the world. Most of the teachers I’ve taught are amazing, only a few have brought me heartache. Still I am driven by a sense of purpose to share what I know. I know that there is a Creator and we are part of it. That we are divine and as we clear limiting beliefs, all things are possible. I cannot deny that I was healed as my x-rays of my leg are a constant reminder. I have watched things instantly appear (with witnesses of course.) I healed my car (with witnesses of course.) I have seen people heal and others that did not. But I have a knowing that the Creator is Real and no matter what religion you are you can tap into it.

I have dedicated my life to the Creator, teaching others the realization that we are one. Through this journey, I have found ways of helping myself and others to have health, love and joy.

ThetaHealing™’s amazing success is based on the purity of the work and the devotion of its teachers and practitioners that love and spread this work over many cultures. Each teacher and practitioner brings their own amazing experience, but the technique stays pure.

 

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November 17, 2009 - Posted by | DIY Health, Healthy Alert

2 Comments »

  1. I think it would do you some good to look at my blog at http://donttreadontruth.wordpress.com/

    While some of it is about Joshua Opfar, Vianna Stibal’s son, I have made it a goal to protect as many people as I can…. These people are not healers & I suggest you stay as far away from them as possible. Vianna claims MANY things, but having been a part of the family for 10 years (she was my mother-in-law until October 1, ’09), I know the real story. She may teach the “ease” of communicating with God, or Creator, or Source (whichever one she may use is in the air), but in reality she does no rely on any kind of healing modality, much less “her own”, to fix herself. She has been sick for years with chronic conditions such as sinusitis, allergies, asthma, and the list goes on. She’s had liposuction, but teaches others to just “ask God” to make them thin. Please just be aware of the truth before having anything further to do with those people. In my opinion, based on what I saw, they’re just looking for the Almighty… the Almighty DOLLAR that is.
    Lindsey

    Comment by lindseyrstock | December 10, 2009 | Reply

    • Thank you for sharing this. Since embarking on my husband’s healing journey, I have come across so many acclaimed methods. It’s a really a matter of endless research. I have read similar articles (as in the one put up by Trisha which I included in my blog) about Vianna Stibal being a scam. Personally, I will continue to research her but will put your link in my blog so others reading this can decide for themselves. If there is anything more you wish to add to this matter about Vianna/son etc., I would love to hear from you. Apparently, you have a great deal of strength, so I will wish for you, that the best of your life is from here on.

      Comment by notochemo | December 12, 2009 | Reply


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